[INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
Daniel L. Needles
dneedles at gmail.com
Thu Sep 17 21:49:52 EDT 2009
Dough. No vi *.ncdb was the best way to go.
Hey did you get that PERL module that integrates with VISIO. I got the back
engine if you have the front. Of course a 120,000 state machine is a bit
difficult to visualize. ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: users-bounces at netcoolusers.org [mailto:users-bounces at netcoolusers.org]
On Behalf Of douglasstvnsn at aol.com
Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:40 PM
To: users at netcoolusers.org
Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
Oh DANG IT! Now I'm being compared to Methuselah!!!? I'm OLD but no where
near that old!!!! hehehehehehehe!!!
I did a model set of 60 some odd models once for a customer gig in 2 1/2
weeks. Built. Tested. Documented.
Funny part is that I vi ed the NCDB!
Now Dan - Now is the time we need to develop code that does this for you!?
Code that writes code!!! I love it!
Dougie!!!
-----Original Message-----
From: Don Wildman <WILDMAN at uk.ibm.com>
To: users at netcoolusers.org
Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 3:22 pm
Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
Time is an illusion, lunch time doubly so. (Hitchhikers Guide to the
Galaxy for the uninitiated) or
"all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years" which
is time enough for most states that any of us may consider.
All that, and it is not yet even Friday.
users-bounces at netcoolusers.org wrote on 17/09/2009 20:54:28:
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> Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
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> Daniel L. Needles
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> to:
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> users
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> 17/09/2009 20:56
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> Please respond to users
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> Heh heh. I am not sure if a lifetime is long enough to paint a 120,000
state
> model in the NerveCenter GUI. 8-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: users-bounces at netcoolusers.org [
mailto:users-bounces at netcoolusers.org]
> On Behalf Of Greg Hubbard
> Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 2:25 PM
> To: users at netcoolusers.org
> Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
>
> "This is orders of magnitude more complex than any NerveCenter model."
>
> You haven't seen some of Uncle Doug's models... :)
>
> GLH
>
>
> On 9/17/09, Daniel L. Needles <dneedles at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Exactly - the action is the issue. The probe can only passively
evaluate
> > events. Further it has only one passive action - translate the
incoming
> > stream with a bit of lookup and populate the events. The state
integrity
> is
> > fine, it is action/behavior limits that make it ineffective at true
finite
> > automata/interactive behavior models.
> >
> > However, one note. The latest NCKL mttrapd rules are around 1 million
> > lines.
> > Translating each if-elsif-else stanza it comes out to about 120,000
> > different states. This is orders of magnitude more complex than any
> > NerveCenter model. So by limiting its scope of function it has enabled
the
> > explosion of complexity on interpretation.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: users-bounces at netcoolusers.org [mailto:
> > users-bounces at netcoolusers.org]
> > On Behalf Of douglasstvnsn at aol.com
> > Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 11:52 AM
> > To: users at netcoolusers.org
> > Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
> >
> >
> > IMHO, NerveCenter's strength is intelligent polling.
> >
> > I use the Moore and Mealy State Machine Models in my Perl...?
NerveCenter
> > uses a Mealy model.
> >
> > Dougie!!!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Greg Hubbard <glh.forums at gmail.com>
> > To: users at netcoolusers.org
> > Sent: Thu, Sep 17, 2009 10:38 am
> > Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I guess this thread is thoroughly hijacked by now.
> >
> > You can emulate states in Netcool alarms using an enumerated integer
> field.
> > I use this for tracking status through Impact -- state 0 is "not yet
> seen",
> > state 1 is "processing" and state 2 is "finished" and I even created a
> > Webtop map to show the counts of things in each state, and I use
another
> > tool to track these numbers over time. No big deal.
> >
> > It is not as elegant as NerveCenter is/was, but you guys know how easy
it
> > was to create a maintenance nightmare in NerveCenter -- I've cleaned
up a
> > couple myself.
> >
> > GLH
> >
> >
> > On 9/17/09, douglasstvnsn at aol.com <douglasstvnsn at aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From the Concept of CIs in a CMDB, when you peruse the Object
Server, it
> > > appears that the state is by severity until you mix in AlertGroup,
etc.
> > But
> > > even then, and event does not equal a state. Currently Normal events
are
> > > separate from problem events. And with that preposition in mind, for
the
> > > most part, you are only looking at 2 states for every kind of
problem
> > which
> > > isn't very real world.
> > >
> > > This is why I call Netcool Object less as well.? No concept unless
you
> > > build it in enrichment of an object or object classes, etc.
> > >
> > > Why is stateful important? Because you only want to enact actions on
> > States
> > > if you do not want actions out of place or repeated.
> > >
> > > Dougie!...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Daniel L. Needles <dneedles at gmail.com>
> > > To: users at netcoolusers.org
> > > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 4:45 pm
> > > Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > View through the lens of NerveCenter and it makes more sense. ;-)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: users-bounces at netcoolusers.org [mailto:
> > > users-bounces at netcoolusers.org]
> > > On Behalf Of Jacob Steinberger
> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 1:54 PM
> > > To: users at netcoolusers.org
> > > Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
> > >
> > > Wait, what? Translation?
> > >
> > > Jacob
> > >
> > > Quoting douglasstvnsn at aol.com:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I agree.
> > > >
> > > > Netcool is not so stateful.... More discreet events.? When you get
> > > > into situations where you are moving from one state to another and
> > > > upon movement to a state, you initiate actions...? Doing things
> > > > inside of Netcool may be that you may have initiated or not
> > > > initiated actions because you had a duplicate event or you missed
an
> > > > event altogether in your logic.
> > > >
> > > > Dougie!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Chris Schaft <chris at mkadvantage.com>
> > > > To: users at netcoolusers.org
> > > > Sent: Tue, Sep 15, 2009 11:23 am
> > > > Subject: Re: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Larry,
> > > >
> > > > I concur with Jacob on this, many things can be used. First
question
> I
> > > > would ask is what paging software are you using? Most of them
have
> the
> > > > feature to page more than one oncall or page a group of people
that
> are
> > > part
> > > > of the on-call group. I would fight this battle outside of
Netcool
> > > rather
> > > > than make Netcool more complicated than it needs to be.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Chris Schaft
> > > > MKAdvantage, Inc.
> > > > 773-988-2277
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: users-bounces at netcoolusers.org
> > > [mailto:users-bounces at netcoolusers.org]
> > > > On Behalf Of Larry Roberts
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 11:01 AM
> > > > To: users at netcoolusers.org
> > > > Subject: [INUG-Users] Generate Event From Event
> > > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I was wonder how I could go about generating an event from an
event?
> > > > The problem I am having is we have some events that when they show
up
> > > auto
> > > > page a on call group however we need to add another on call group
so
> > the
> > > end
> > > > result is 2 on call groups get paged. So the only thing I can
think
> of
> > > is
> > > > to take the event when it shows up and generate another event from
it.
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!
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